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Matthew 3:7-10
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.
And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
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There was only one civilian casualty during the three-day Battle of Gettysburg
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In you previous post, you said, "If we, just for a moment, set aside any religious teachings or writings, and rely solely on our intuition and senses to gather information of this world and determine the existence of a higher power..."
Beginning an argument for or against God's existence based solely upon human experience and intuition seems, to me, to cave in on itself from the get-go, because it leaves the chance that we will come to conclusion A:
"That there is not now and never was a higher power, and these things we refer to as life, matter, and space are nothing more than the unobstructed happenings of chance."
If conclusion A is indeed the case, and this world and all that exists are mere happenings of chance, then that means that even our brains, and the neural, chemical and electrical reactions that we call "thoughts" are products of said "unobstructed happenings of chance." To believe that they are trustworthy, to believe that we can trust anything percieved by senses with such haphazard origin, is, to me, absurd. A higher power who created our brain must exist for us to reasonably give ourselves, perceptions and opinions any credibility.
If we do, however, begin with B, and assume that in some capcity the hp is good and we are evil, again, we lose a basis for trusting ourselves. As it stands, the world is so divided in its opinions that starting with "human experience" as a means of apologizing an "hp" is ludicrous. Who do we trust? Ourselves? As you mentioned earlier, we know the evil that lies within us best. To think that evil has escaped our thinking is misleading, and perhaps sometimes, arrogant.
Later, you said: "For if the higher power is, in fact, "All-Good" it would seem that the being is as far separated from "Evil" as is possible."
I don't know if you mean physically or morally separated. If you mean morally separated, this is a needless observation. If however, you mean physically seperated, then you are presupposing either that "evil" is a problem outside the "hp"'s realm of soveriegnty or that "evil" is in itself some sort of power capable of repulsing it.
Neither of these presuppositions must be the case. There are a myriad other possibilities, one being that "evil" is allowed by the "hp" to roam for a time seemingly untethered, so that when the "hp" does eradicate said evil, that eradication will be all the more glorious. (The previous statement of course presupposes that the hp and evil are at odds.)
"It would stand to reason then that if this world contained evil the higher power would be distant from this world."
Addressed above. The existence of evil does not neccessarily mean that God can't be involved in the world, unless the evil is as formidable a power.
"However, in only examining the human experience, it is impossible to conclude whether the higher power, if one exists, truly possess the attributes prefixed 'All-.'"
Again, this presupposes something: that the "hp" is impotent to accurately, clearly, and comprehendibly communicate itself to us. If ther is an All- "" hp, then, there is a way to know him by human experience--the hp would have to enter human experience itself, and communicate it to us. This, incidentally, is what the bible says God did in Jesus: "1Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world" (Hebrews 1:1-2). The "HP" has not only spoken to this world, but he has done so through his Son, Jesus, because He loves this world. He is indeed good; he has not left us.
"16"For God so loved the world,[a] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." --John 3:16
For those of you who are not believers, then, at the very least, in seeking an "hp", it seems only reasonable that we must not look in, where are either evil and confusion, or randomness, but out, where there is at least a chance of something else; maybe even something good. If there is an "hp", and he is good, and we can't find him on our own, then a good "hp", it seems, would have to, and would be willing to, make himself known. I believe he has done just that.
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ON THE NICKEL
by Tom Waits
("I'd like to do a new song here. This is eh, it's about downtown Los Angeles on 5th Street. And eh all the winos affectionately refer to it as The Nickel. So this is kind of a hobo's lullaby.")
sticks and stones will break my bones,
but i always will be true, and when
your mama is dead and gone,
i'll sing this lullabye just for you,
and what becomes of all the little boys,
who never comb their hair,
well they're lined up all around the block,
on the nickel over there.
so you better bring a bucket,
there is a hole in the pail,
and if you don't get my letter,
then you'll know that i'm in jail,
and what becomes of all the little boys,
who never say their prayers,
well they're sleepin' like a baby,
on the nickel over there.
and if you chew tobacco, and wish upon a star,
well you'll find out where the scarecrows sit,
just like punchlines between the cars,
and i know a place where a royal flush,
can never beat a pair, and even thomas jefferson,
is on the nickel over there.
so ring around the rosie, you're sleepin' in the rain,
and you're always late for supper,
and man you let me down again,
i thought i heard a mockingbird, roosevelt knows where,
you can skip the light, with grady tuck,
on the nickel over there.
so what becomes of all the little boys,
who run away from home,
well the world just keeps gettin' bigger,
once you get out on your own,
so here's to all the little boys,
the sandman takes you where,
you'll be sleepin' with a pillowman,
on the nickel over there.
so let's climb up through that button hole,
and we'll fall right up the stairs,
and i'll show you where the short dogs grow,
on the nickel over there.
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In you previous post, you said, "If we, just for a moment, set aside any religious teachings or writings, and rely solely on our intuition and senses to gather information of this world and determine the existence of a higher power..."
Beginning an argument for or against God's existence based solely upon human experience and intuition seems, to me, to cave in on itself from the get-go, because it leaves the chance that we will come to conclusion A:
"That there is not now and never was a higher power, and these things we refer to as life, matter, and space are nothing more than the unobstructed happenings of chance."
If conclusion A is indeed the case, and this world and all that exists are mere happenings of chance, then that means that even our brains, and the neural, chemical and electrical reactions that we call "thoughts" are products of said "unobstructed happenings of chance." To believe that they are trustworthy, to believe that we can trust anything percieved by senses with such haphazard origin, is, to me, absurd. A higher power who created our brain must exist for us to reasonably give ourselves, perceptions and opinions any credibility.
If we do, however, begin with B, and assume that in some capcity the hp is good and we are evil, again, we lose a basis for trusting ourselves. As it stands, the world is so divided in its opinions that starting with "human experience" as a means of apologizing an "hp" is ludicrous. Who do we trust? Ourselves? As you mentioned earlier, we know the evil that lies within us best. To think that evil has escaped our thinking is misleading, and perhaps sometimes, arrogant.
Later, you said: "For if the higher power is, in fact, "All-Good" it would seem that the being is as far separated from "Evil" as is possible."
I don't know if you mean physically or morally separated. If you mean morally separated, this is a needless observation. If however, you mean physically seperated, then you are presupposing either that "evil" is a problem outside the "hp"'s realm of soveriegnty or that "evil" is in itself some sort of power capable of repulsing it.
Neither of these presuppositions must be the case. There are a myriad other possibilities, one being that "evil" is allowed by the "hp" to roam for a time seemingly untethered, so that when the "hp" does eradicate said evil, that eradication will be all the more glorious. (The previous statement of course presupposes that the hp and evil are at odds.)
"It would stand to reason then that if this world contained evil the higher power would be distant from this world."
Addressed above. The existence of evil does not neccessarily mean that God can't be involved in the world, unless the evil is as formidable a power.
"However, in only examining the human experience, it is impossible to conclude whether the higher power, if one exists, truly possess the attributes prefixed 'All-.'"
Again, this presupposes something: that the "hp" is impotent to accurately, clearly, and comprehendibly communicate itself to us. If ther is an All- "" hp, then, there is a way to know him by human experience--the hp would have to enter human experience itself, and communicate it to us. This, incidentally, is what the bible says God did in Jesus: "1Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world" (Hebrews 1:1-2). The "HP" has not only spoken to this world, but he has done so through his Son, Jesus, because He loves this world. He is indeed good; he has not left us.
"16"For God so loved the world,[a] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." --John 3:16
For those of you who are not believers, then, at the very least, in seeking an "hp", it seems only reasonable that we must not look in, where are either evil and confusion, or randomness, but out, where there is at least a chance of something else; maybe even something good. If there is an "hp", and he is good, and we can't find him on our own, then a good "hp", it seems, would have to, and would be willing to, make himself known. I believe he has done just that.